First registration

Hello

We wish to make a first registration of property converted into 3 flats over three decades ago.
The freeholders of the property granted themselves each a lease to one of the flats at the time at which they were converted.
Title to the property can be proven via original deeds.
We are aware that we must use form FR1 for first registration of title and first registration of the leases.
The question relates to the order in which the applications should be made.

Would it be correct to
a) Make an application using FR1 to register title in the names of the freeholders
b) Make multiple applications using FR1 to register the leases in the names of the leaseholders
c) Can these applications be made together?

We are further aware that
d) we must supply form DL (2 copies we believe) with each FR1
e) title plans that clearly identify the land concerned when registering title
f) would the original deed title plans be acceptable?
g) the lease with each FR1 when registering the leaseholds
h) ID1 for each of the freeholders and hence leaseholders

Any further guidance in relation to the applications and forms that we may not have mentioned would be much appreciated.

Regards Peter.

 

Hi Peter - we would need all 4 FR1s lodged at the same time. The Freehold would be processed first and then the 3 separate leaseholds
Title plans are only created once titles are registered. See PG 40 sup 2 for guidance on the type and quality of plans we require - Preparing plans for HM Land Registry applications (PG40s2) - GOV.UK
If these are all voluntary applications and you have the deeds/documents then evidence of identity is not required - Practice guide 67: evidence of identity - GOV.UK
I have only answered the Qs raised where your assumptions appear to be wrong ones or need clarity

Hello Adam

Thank you for your reply it is very helpful.

Can you please confirm that it is not necessary for us to complete forms AN1, AP1 and UN1 as the leases pre-date 19th June 2006 (just wish to be certain)?

We also presume that there are no other forms required to be submitted, but should this not be the case would you kindly direct us to them?

Regards Peter

Peter - you would most likely only be using forms AN1 or UN1 or AP1 (not all 3 together) if the freehold was already registered
Practice Guide 1 explains how to use forms FR1 and DL to submit first registrations plus the relevant deeds/documents 
Practice guide 1: first registrations - GOV.UK

Hello Adam and thank you once again for your reply.

Are we correct in stating that it is not necessary to provide certified copies of the original deeds and that the original deeds will be returned?

Should the original deeds be lost in transit to Land Registry would Land Registry accept a certified copy of the original deeds?

Finally, can a certified copy be created from another certified copy or would it be necessary to make all certified copies from the original deeds prior to sending the original deeds?
We ask to ensure that we have sufficient copies, should say the original deeds be lost in transit only for the certified copy then to get lost in transit (having multiple certified copies is a lot of printing)?

Thank you

 

Hello Peter - that is correct - see section 4.4.4 of PG 1 for guidance on what should be submitted, what we then scan/retain and what's returned
A certified copy is only made from an original. If you make a certified copy of a certified copy then that's what that is and not a copy of the original - remember the certification makes it clear as to what it is a certified copy of e.g. original
If you are concerned with items being lost in the post then do consider alternative means of delivery such as a courier or registered post as appropriate