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Posted Fri, 30 May 2025 13:53:44 GMT by Paul Rodford
Hi, we have title absolute for our house (been here 18 years). Our title deeds plan show we own a small parcel of land, approx 30 sq m, behind our back fence. We haven't extended our fence because of a tree and hedges causing a physical barrier. These have been cleared. However the Parish Council have produced a conveyance, dated 1988, showing the parcel of land was conveyed to them by a local landowner. They have never registered it. This effectively 'blights' our property as we would have to declare the dispute to a prospective buyer. The Parish Council have no intention of registering because they have been advised their claim is unlikely to be successful. 
How can we force the issue as the blight will continue. 
 
Posted Fri, 30 May 2025 14:32:23 GMT by Adam Hookway
Hi Paul - if you own it then there's no issue as your registered information proves that. The neighbour can dispute the ownership but without registering it to themselves then it's unfounded
We don't record or deal with disputes or the fact that they exist so I'd recommend speaking to a conveyancer to ascertain how they would view such a matter for a buyer as their client
Posted Sun, 01 Jun 2025 14:11:46 GMT by Paul Rodford

Many thanks. Its a Parish Council not a neighbour. They say the parcel of land should be Open Space. Some other nearby land is Open Space and they believe our (registered land parcel) was mistakenly missed out and their conveyance addressed this. However old maps show the parcel as ours which is why it was originally and intentionally not included in the Open Space area. Nonetheless we feel they should attempt to register the conveyance which would give a decision.  They refuse on the basis they might lose their case, and say we can't make them register. After 37 yrs we would like this resolved. It is an ongoing 'blight'. When we started digging up a tree stump there we received threatening letters from the Parish Council. In summary - what is the point of compulsory registration if they don't register and there is no comeback or legal redress. Supposed to be 2 months but 37 yrs later!!!

Posted Mon, 02 Jun 2025 05:48:20 GMT by Adam Hookway
Paul - all landowners are neighbours in ownership terms. We don't register 'Open Space' and that maybe something managed by the relevant local/parish authorities 
I doubt if their conveyance as you put it wouldn't address the situation if the land had already been sold/transferred to you. It reads more like they were trying to redefine the extent of 'Open Space' but after the land had been sold/transferred
Very much something to seek legal advice on to understand the legal implications of 'Open Spaces' and the council's stance/actions to date
Posted Mon, 02 Jun 2025 07:37:46 GMT by Paul Rodford
Hello again Adam. Thank you for your speedy reply. The neighbouring open spaces I refer to are subject to an old section 52 agreement under T&CP Act (which I believe should be registered but hasn't been). Our parcel isn't included within that agreement - we say because it's registered as our land!
If the Parish Council had simply registered the conveyance in 1988 then LR would have informed the previous owner of our property (to avoid fraud) who would likely have objected. So they didn't register.
We are 5th owner since, all have had absolute title.
Quite simply we can't understand the meaning of 'compulsory registration' under both LR Act 1925 or LR Act 2002 if there are no consequences for non compliance. 
Posted Mon, 02 Jun 2025 07:57:57 GMT by Adam Hookway
Paul - from your posts the documentation the PC have doesn't appear to convey legal ownership.
You refer to a T&CP Act of which I assume is the Town & Country Planning legislation and that relates to the development of land, not it's ownership
Please do seek legal advice to get clarity on the legislation involved and the legal position re any claims the PC might be making and the impact on your land.
Posted Mon, 02 Jun 2025 08:03:55 GMT by Paul Rodford
OK many thanks again.
Posted Sun, 29 Jun 2025 13:23:00 GMT by Paul Rodford
An interesting development.... Parish Council and Winchester City Council agreed a landscaping agreement area based on a plan from land registry.stamped in 1986. Our (absolute) title plan from purchase in 2006 contradicts this. The title plan in 2001 (previous owner) is same as ours.
So 2 different land registry plans for the same vicinity. Ours in 2006 shows land is ours. The 1986 version shows it isn't, but owner is unregistered. 
We have assumed that because our 2006 title plan is most recent it is the most accurate.
The bad news is that the landscaping agreement was based on the 1986 plan.
Any thoughts? Is it as simple as 'most up to dare plan = most accurate'? We have downloaded a latest title plan and 2025 version is unchanged from our 2006 version from when we purchased our house.
 
Posted Mon, 30 Jun 2025 05:25:06 GMT by Adam Hookway
Paul - title plans for different title numbers are created at different times and based on the Ordnance Survey base map available at the time of that initial registration.
Title plans don't show the exact legal boundary and should be interpreted as such. And you won't have more than one title plan for the same title so there's no 'most up to date plan', just a single title plan for a single title number.
Our PG 40 supplements contain a myriad of guidance re title plans, boundaries and registered extents - Land registration: Practice guides - GOV.UK
Posted Mon, 30 Jun 2025 07:55:00 GMT by Paul Rodford
Yet again thank you Adam. We have looked at the practice guidelines and understand that precision isn't guaranteed. However this is a very distinct plot 30' x 20'. Two documents, our 2006 title plan with the plot included and another document, supplied by our solicitor at time of our purchase, provided from city council and stamped by land registry in 1986 showing us without the plot. The issue is that the council granted a landscaping agreement in 1987 over the plot based on their plan stamped by land registry in 1986. 
Back n 1997 a previous owner was forced by city council to remove the fence around the plot because of the landscaping agreement.
We're about to spend £6K+ fencing and ground clearing it in as per our title deed but anticipate city council enforcement action to remove it.
 
Posted Mon, 30 Jun 2025 08:02:53 GMT by Adam Hookway
Paul - a title plan and 'another document' are not the same thing so it's important, when dealing with registered information to focus on the title plan alone re the registered extent/general boundaries
If you are of the view that the title plan is 'wrong' and an error has been made then you can report that error and the support team can investigate and respond as appropriate - Public guidance: dealing with land and property - GOV.UK
Posted Tue, 02 Dec 2025 22:46:49 GMT by Paul Rodford
Hi (again)
does land registry keep copies of conveyances when they are sent to them for registration? 
A farmers track adjacent to our house was conveyed to our house in 1984 and it became our drive. The field the track led to was sold off for development. 
Our absolute title deed plan shows the drive as part of our property.
We can't find the conveyance although it is referred to in a covenant a few months later. 
We would love to see the wording of the conveyance 
Many thanks
Paul Rodford
 
Posted Wed, 03 Dec 2025 08:40:14 GMT by Adam Hookway
Hi Paul - sometimes we do but that all depends on their relevance to the registered information. For example if we refer to the conveyance on the register as 'field' then we scan and keep a copy. The vast majority of old deeds/documents are returned to the applicant though after registration 

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