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Posted Mon, 12 May 2025 11:46:11 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam, 

thank you for that.

Sally 

Posted Tue, 13 May 2025 09:08:23 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam,

Me again, we are trying as hard as we can to get this sorted, it seems possible that our solicitor/conveyancer’s experience in dealing with sales of rural properties that have come to the market for the first time is little to non existent, she even admitted some time ago in an email to the buyers solicitor that:-

“I can’t remember the last time I made application to LR to determine a boundary line but u see Practice Guide 40 give some information on this. Have you had to do this recently?”

I have attached the written report received from the case worker Donna Harrison and also the illustrative plan that could not be uploaded to the portal. Hopefully you can see them. Please ignore the solicitors comments. We are fully aware that your experience in Land Registry and all its nuances is vast so you will understand what is in the plan. Our boundaries as shown on it are what’s the OS surveyor did when he attended, so as you can see our actual registered plot varies considerably from what is on the ground.

The sticking point is the paragraph in the report that refers to the title plan (K519480 The Grange).

Although Donna Harrison does not say it is owned by the Grange she does write “It does appear that when we created a new edition of the adjoining title plan (K519480) this new edition did not fully reflect the extent of land in that title as this includes part of the access way referred to in the statement of truth and this then caused us to create the impression that the some land in this area was unregistered when in fact it was registered.”

We are trying to get both solicitors to understand the concept of General Boundary rules and that just because the title plan shows one thing it is not an exact reproduction of what is physically on the ground. My husband and I were both trained as plan drawers in our previous profession and we understand It’s a hand drawn document filed in 1982 probably drawn up by a conveyancer or solicitor. You will be able to see that the blue line next to the north north west  boundary of the Grange is actually shown within our physical surveyed boundary. We have a scaled ruler and have measured the depth of the area, it appears to be approximately 1.5m at the north north east end and 3.4m at the north west end where the boundary ends at the road. We cannot ring and speak directly to Donna Harrison, the buyers solicitor cannot get any answers from land registry as our solicitor is the person who submitted the application.

Is it possible that Donna Harrison can send out a further communication to our solicitor by email to explain this? We can understand that solicitors are all worried for their profession but surely common sense has to prevail or else your written articles and you tube videos about “general boundary rules” become meaningless?

If we are to take title plans literally none of the properties shown on the illustrative plan adjoining us and further will be able to be sold as we all appear to own part of our neighbours grounds. 

Please can you help?

kind regards 

Sally 

Posted Tue, 13 May 2025 11:29:59 GMT by Adam Hookway
Sally - I will share your comment with the casework team and ask them to consider as appropriate. I'll share their response either here or through direct email as appropriate.
K526244
Posted Tue, 13 May 2025 12:30:44 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam,

 I can only hope somebody’s sees sense. Thank you once again.

Sally 

Posted Wed, 14 May 2025 11:09:30 GMT by Adam Hookway
Sally - I have emailed you a response as provided by the senior officer dealing with your conveyancer's application.
I would recommend that you speak to your legal rep and to share it's contents as appropriate.
I don't think there's nothing I can usefully add via this forum bearing in mind the stage you are at with your conveyancer and the registered extents
K526244
Posted Wed, 14 May 2025 12:20:08 GMT by Sally Dolden

Many thanks Adam I have already received that email 

Posted Thu, 12 Jun 2025 15:23:48 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam, (K526244 Martlets)

Well it’s been a while and that very complex case you alluded some time ago to, is finally on the road to being sorted. Our solicitor submitted an adverse possession request on Tuesday 10th June regarding land that somehow now falls within the Granges title (K519480). The chain is stilling holding at the moment but our buyers buyer is now threatening to pull out (they have already lost one previous buyer) if he doesn’t get anything positive soon.

Would you be able to tell me if or when the letter regarding the adverse possession will be sent to the title owner of The Grange, everyone, including the owner of The Grange is trying to get this sorted.

Kind regards 

sally 

Posted Thu, 12 Jun 2025 16:04:17 GMT by Adam Hookway
Hi Sally - glad things are still intact. Their response/additional paperwork needs to be reviewed by the casework team/lawyer dealing with the matter so I am unable to advise as to when any letter might be issued to the affected parties as appropriate.
You will need to let the process play out 
K526244 & K519480
Posted Thu, 12 Jun 2025 16:19:51 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam,

Thank you for the super quick reply. I guess we’re hoping that because lots of stuff has already been discussed between our solicitors and land registry that it won’t be too long before it’s actioned.

kins regards

sally 

Posted Fri, 13 Jun 2025 08:41:28 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam,

we applied for amendment to title plan originally and as a result of that an Ordnance Survey surveyor attended and plotted all our boundaries at the request of Land Registry before Easter.

I believe this application for Adverse possession is being dealt with by the Senior Officer Mr Ian P Jones, he is the same gentleman that has been in this from the beginning.

Having read other posts on here about adverse possession, some mention a surveyor attending, will they need to send Ordnance Survey again or will that first visit be enough?

Would you please be able to explain the order of how an adverse possession moves forward? As I said yesterday, we have already spoken to the owner of the land in question, he is as confused as us about how all this has happened, he is more than happy to do whatever Land registry ask of him and as quickly as possible, so I assume that also removes the 65 working days it can take when contacting the land owner? What else happens in this whole procedure?

Thank you 

Sally 

Posted Fri, 13 Jun 2025 10:10:15 GMT by Adam Hookway
Hi Sally - that will be up to the casework team/senior officer to decide. If the OS visit was recent then I suspect not but all depends what their report revealed of course
A survey and/or wider checks with affected landowners are the two key stages re such applications. Both you and the owner will need to be patient and wait for any contacts to be made. Responses can then be provided as appropriate.
65 days is the standard period allowed for an owner of registered land to respond
If anyone is confused then they must rely on their legal reps to guide them and explain not only what's happening but why. This is especially true in a sale/purchase scenario as it is for the respective conveyancers to manage their client's expectations re the whole conveyancing process. That includes any pending applications for registration 
K526244 & K519480
Posted Fri, 13 Jun 2025 10:57:54 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam,

The confusion is only around the piece of land in question, the owner of the Granges comment when we spoke to him, was “I’ve never owned that land, that’s your garden and driveway” Fortunately we all get on and there is no angst about any of it.

He is also keen to get it all sorted asap as he’s aiming to put his on the market when it’s ready.

Thank you again for the update, it’s got to be sorted however long it takes and we totally understand that.

Sally 

Posted Tue, 24 Jun 2025 08:46:33 GMT by Sally Dolden

Morning Adam,

sorry to bother you, I wondered if you would be able to help? We were informed by our solicitor on Wednesday last week that Land Registry need another survey done by OS to check the land involved in the adverse possession.

The solicitor was informed that both neighbours and us had been written to and I assume this is with a view to booking the surveyors visit. She included a link for us which we returned to Ordnance Survey immediately, but to date neither neighbour has received any correspondence. I remember the last time, the letter was sent first class and arrived 2 days after it was sent. Is there anyway you are able to find out what date these letters were posted please, also are they able to use the same link that they used for the previous survey.(http://www.os.uk/surveyorvisit) (K526244 & K519480 & K650326)

 They are all trying to help us and move it forward as quickly as possible.

kind regards

Sally  

Posted Tue, 24 Jun 2025 11:11:53 GMT by Adam Hookway
Afternoon Sally - letters were issues 1st class on 18th June re the survey needed and included the same link you refer to 
K526244 & K519480 & K650326
Posted Tue, 24 Jun 2025 12:35:08 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam,

many many thanks for that. I will tell the neighbours and get the forms submitted. Have a good day

KInd regards 

Sally 

Posted Fri, 27 Jun 2025 08:05:07 GMT by Sally Dolden
Morning Adam,
Would you please be able to check if all the survey requests have actually been received? Other than the automated reply to the link we haven't heard from OS about the survey yet and last time they were in contact within 2 days, the requests from us and the two neighbours were all submitted via that link on Tuesday 18th June
(K52644 K519480 & K650326)
Also for the information of the case officer Mr Ian P Jones to date none of the letters sent out on the 18th June have been received
Kind regards
Sally 
Posted Fri, 27 Jun 2025 10:02:23 GMT by Adam Hookway
Morning Sally - we don't track the OS service so can't check as to what actions they are taking re the site visit
Noted re non-receipt of letters as issued although the delay may simply be down to the postal speed as 1st class is not always as quick as perhaps the days gone by - I'll share your comments with the casework team though but do let me know if the letters arrive today/weekend also 
If they have all used the OS link to make the arrangements then delayed receipt of the letters won't stop the process.
K526244 
Posted Fri, 27 Jun 2025 11:32:04 GMT by Sally Dolden

Hi Adam,

Many thanks for the reply, they all used the link and have had the confirmation email, I’ll chase OS, they were helpful last time😊 Please be kind enough to let Mr Ian P Jones know that we are trying to sort this as quickly as possible, as we are very aware he is doing the same from his end.

I will let you know as and when any one gets a letter about it. ironically our usual postman was on leave last week and we know for a fact that there was no cover for him at the end of the week, ie about the time the letters should have arrived, a rough guess would be there is a bag of mail somewhere. fortunately our postman is a very helpful guy and he’s on the case for us. 

kind regards 

Sally 

Posted Mon, 30 Jun 2025 10:37:46 GMT by Sally Dolden

Morning Adam,

The letters didn't arrive Friday or Saturday and not today either. 🤷🏼‍♀️

kind regards 

Sally

Posted Mon, 30 Jun 2025 11:54:12 GMT by Adam Hookway
Hi Sally - the casework team will re issue the letters asap for completeness
K526244 

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